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#9131187 Feb 20, 2014 at 07:48 PM
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yeah well... my question is in the topic. seriously i cant be on irc, i cant look at the forums without members of crc being disruptive, making personal attacks or repeating themselves over and over again. Is it code of conduct of crc now to troll the fuck out of everything just because o11c is immature? What THE HELL was that ridiculous admin poll about? Seriously people, i understand o11cs anger very very well. (and sure i disagree with his actions but it is perfectly sufficient to say that *once*) anything that goes beyond that is just poor trolling.
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#9135242 Feb 21, 2014 at 03:20 PM
Crew
20 Posts
i think im not troll... and
#9131187 Chayenne wrote:

repeating themselves over and over again

maybe i do that too much :P
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#9154905 Feb 25, 2014 at 05:45 PM
Retired Capt...
38 Posts
#9131187 Chayenne wrote:

yeah well... my question is in the topic. seriously i cant be on irc, i cant look at the forums without members of crc being disruptive, making personal attacks or repeating themselves over and over again. Is it code of conduct of crc now to troll the fuck out of everything just because o11c is immature? What THE HELL was that ridiculous admin poll about? Seriously people, i understand o11cs anger very very well. (and sure i disagree with his actions but it is perfectly sufficient to say that *once*) anything that goes beyond that is just poor trolling.


CRC members are individuals, their individual behaviours have nothing to do with CRC unless they are representing the guild or the guild is involved in any way. As CRC is in no way involved with the TMW drama, CRC members are acting as individual people and expressing their own opinions.
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#9175255 Mar 01, 2014 at 04:49 PM · Edited over 6 years ago
Retired Capt...
66 Posts
#9131187 Chayenne wrote:

yeah well... my question is in the topic. seriously i cant be on irc, i cant look at the forums without members of crc being disruptive, making personal attacks or repeating themselves over and over again. Is it code of conduct of crc now to troll the fuck out of everything just because o11c is immature? What THE HELL was that ridiculous admin poll about? Seriously people, i understand o11cs anger very very well. (and sure i disagree with his actions but it is perfectly sufficient to say that *once*) anything that goes beyond that is just poor trolling.


Well, I guess you are speaking about me so I have to answer.

About this Poll first: If almost all TMWc and advisors hadn't negatively answered to wushin's request, I surely wouldn't have transmitted this post. But o11c went on his mind and bad faith. If you only took the time to read my post and answer, you would would know it.

o11c is not immature, or just occasionally. Or if he is, why the hell is he among the official representation of this project, why the hell is he allowed to speak for TMWc, and take decisions which are in the opposite directions of other people's advice. Why the hell is he allowed to ban people, whoever they are, while he allows himself to lie or despise and insult people without a single official remark form the team members. Finally how the hell is it possible that a leader, and not the smallest one can try to turn people in his favour by insinuating that the people who disagree with him are attacking (all) developers.
The silence, which surrounds his interventions is not a good thing too, because it lets players suppose a kind of agreement even if it is not the case. Then players speak and I am a player. I am sorry to see very few posts from leaders posts who disagree when limits are crossed.

Seriously, I don't care if o11c is angry if he can finally realize, that being a LEADER, obliges you at least to be consistent with the other team members' decisions, seriously I preferred him when we were still under Platyna.

I am sincerely sorry to have to repeat myself, and that the silly atmosphere that longs at least since 4 years would be better. I would far prefer that things go forward instead of fighting against windmills. But as long as such things can happen, do not expect quietness; even if I kept silent, someone else would take the relay as it always had been the case.

Once again this is my personal opinion, everyone has the right to disagree. If so, it does not change anything to my opinion about those who disagree with me.
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#9220961 Mar 11, 2014 at 06:06 AM
Crew
10 Posts
I don't intend to troll anyone, yet I do definitely intend to state my disagreements with people...hopefully I can bring this up in the right place and context..whenever this arises. Cheers:)
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#9222169 Mar 11, 2014 at 01:46 PM
Crew
20 Posts
No offense but you Speiros, you are biggest troll I've ever seen...
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#9239085 Mar 14, 2014 at 09:04 PM
Crew
10 Posts
lol...WHAT???
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#9247653 Mar 17, 2014 at 01:48 AM
Captains
99 Posts
I commented on the private forum on TMW (and not publicly) about what has happened with o11c and "the ban".
I'm personally neutral about what has been done, but I'm a bit against how Nard reacted. (My view of Platyna is soiled by years of problems)

CRC has always been a good group of player, I'm pretty sure that the TMWC is aware of this, and it could be good that in the future, our voice is heard as it used to be by taking good options on what we should do and say.

Nard, you are in charge of the CRC since a while now, you're not just a regular player, you're the one who represent this guild in TMW.
Your actions are not the same than anyone else in this group, so think twice before to choose which one you want to spank. ;P
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#9248742 Mar 17, 2014 at 09:52 AM · Edited over 6 years ago
Retired Capt...
66 Posts
Dear Reid, my reactions towards o11c are not recent, they are motivated by o11c own attitude, towards myself of course, but also towards many other developers and towards the project too:
  1. Towards me first: o11c allowed himself to call me an idiot and an asshole. You can rightfully say thet I am no more a simple player, but you have to see that o11c is since the move, among the main administrators of TMW and when he speaks, his sayings are not only his own opinion. Thus when he insults and noone among TMWC says anything against it, I am entitled to think TMWc somewhat agrees (as a whole). I made considerable efforts to be cooperative with him a year long with no positive result. Efforts must come from both sides to have an effect.
  2. I can admit many things, disagree with some persons and still be cooperative. But i'll never admit injustice. I showed it when Platyna was unfair with Tux9th on several occasions. (you may notice that I was right since he is now the admin and dev, just as I suggested). Now what did Platyna? A post in a GM poll saying that there were enough GMs while Crazyk8e nomination by o11c was a stupid and disrespectful joke? The correct attitude was Crush's one: the flamewar topic. Also most TMWC members and advisors who expressed themselves disagreed with a ban when wushin assked for it, so one more time, o11c took a decision against this project's leaders general opinion. I asked Platyna not to post this request , but she insisted... You could notice, just as WildX and I did it, that there was a significant change of tone. You can also understand why I get angry when it is said that players are mad at developers.
  3. Platyna: Platyna is just like anyone of us, you or me, She has a strong personality, just as you or me. She may be right or wrong, she can be rude (I don't like it and said it in public) but I never saw her being dishonest. I cannot say the same thing about some people who gravitate in and around TMWc. Platyna is wrong when she says she owns the project, but she is right about the personal data, I verified this point with colleagues from my university law school. It is also impossible to prevent her to say her server is the original one because it is just the truth (I tried though).
  4. TMW: I see TMW as a global thing, a bit like MadCamel said it. TMW has nothing to gain with recurrent wars, and I work since last year to have things quieter but each lie, each false declaration by ignorance, each post which makes Jenalya's declarations look fake ones is a step backwards especially when they are made by leaders.
  5. .net: First I preciously keep relations with the tmw.org developers who are wise enough not to cut relations for a simple disagreement. I wish that the whole TMW can take profit of different feelings, as it already has been the case. My goal is to have a quiet and lively tmw.net for the global TMW's interest, just as I wished UFB and TAW could continue. As a multigame guild member you can understand that, this is a player point of view. As a .net contributor, I'll try to prevent incompatibilities with .org content.
  6. TMWa: My opinion is that TMWa is now "fucked" beyond repair. Apart from discussion I had with other developers, the reason is that its contributors forgot one thing: the game server is a content-development tool, not only an engine and a couple of managers. The recent discussion about an invisibility potion has enlightened this point once more if the guild topic was not enough. Look at the differences between Athena and TMWa... <:( The only solution I can see is to switch as soon as possible to Evol server.

I thought far more than twice about my choices. Unfortunately o11c and some others made my return to .org contribution impossible (I include wiki), and I do regret it. So let it be.
My opinion about o11c is not definitive. When he begins to behave as an adult and show some ability to respect others, I'll stop to spank him. This begins with apologizes for insults.
I will go on to criticize changes, when I think they are against project's interests.
I will go on to fight against unwritten and unclear rules application, whoever is the object of them.
I will go on spanking people who are able to do what they want when the TEAM decided something different.
My view of TMW is that this project is polluted by over-dimensioned egos, lies, despise, and Platyna is far to be the single cause of all issues. I can even say that the majority of causes followed the move and are among TMWc or advisors when not developers. Some among the "causes" changed, to a far more positive attitude though. The fact, that just as before, very nice people impulse game development must not prevent us to have a fair view of the reality.
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#9252904 Mar 18, 2014 at 03:09 AM
Retired Capt...
36 Posts
No doubt, Captain Nard represents our guild well.
He is a respectful person with fair, equitable values.

Nard, do and continue to represent and lead this ship safely against any attack, silence, insults and injustice. You are right to give your opinion and you do it like a gentleman and a good captain.

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All for one and one for all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Johanne Lalibertรฉ
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#9255780 Mar 18, 2014 at 07:20 PM
Captains
241 Posts
#9248742 Nard wrote:

... Platyna is wrong when she says she owns the project, but she is right about the personal data, I verified this point with colleagues from my university law school....


Dear Capitan,

With due respect to your colleagues, this issue has not been adjudicated.

Cordially,
Officier Rill
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#9277125 Mar 23, 2014 at 01:21 AM
Crew
1 Post
My answer is NO, we are NOT a guild of trolls
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